The Lobby: Off-topic discussion

Hello and welcome to The Lobby! Your place to discuss subjects that just don’t fit in our other conversations. Make yourself at home!

Do you want to discuss an issue but can’t find the right place to post it? Or maybe you’re looking for somewhere to chat with your community pals? Well, you’ve come to the right place…

As with any community or conversation it can – and does – wander off-topic. This is perfectly natural, but it hasn’t always been possible to do so on some of our posts because of the precisely defined nature of each subject.

So, at the behest of some of our community members, we created this off-topic discussion area – The Lobby.

Any ideas spawned here in The Lobby could generate new posts for debate and discussion on Which? Conversation, so you – our community members – are able to help shape the direction of our community.

What happened to the original Lobby?

Why do we have two Lobbies? Well, like all good franchises, we wanted to experiment with a sequel. But seriously, the original Lobby was so popular (with almost 13,000 comments), it was becoming hard to load the page.

So we’re starting fresh with what we’re affectionately calling “The Lobby 2”.

No comments from first Lobby have been deleted, and you can still link to comments, but you won’t be able to add new comments.


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You may go off-topic… that is the purpose of The Lobby.  🙂

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Lite: the new way to spell “Light,” now with 20% fewer letters!

There is also ‘lyte’. First there was candlelyte, then gaslyte and now electrolyte.

I received two Royal Mail ‘Signed for’ items in the past week. One came with other post and a larger package was handed to me by the postman. What’s the point is using the term ‘Signed for’ if no-one has to sign for what they receive?

It’s possible that the postie signs for it as having been delivered “to the best of their knowledge and belief”. After all there is no requirement for the actual addressee of a ‘signed for’ item to personally sign for it; whoever opens the door can put their signature on the form and in some properties they might not even know the addressee. The previous term for this sort of mail was “Recorded Delivery” and although that itself was open to interpretation, “Signed for” is now meaningless. Our postal delivery officer rings the doorbell, leaves them on the doorstep, and doesn’t even wait to see whether anyone comes to the door. Nothing has gone astray yet however and overall I have no complaints about the service being provided by the Royal Mail.

I suppose that the middle of a coronavirus pandemic is not the best time to mention signing for deliveries. Back in the 1980s I received gramophone records from Britannia Music and these were marked Recorded Delivery, but I was rarely if ever asked to sign for them.

John – Our usual postman is on holiday but I will ask if he signs for items he delivers.

There is a recent Conversation topic about the Which? Awards 2020 Consumer Champion contest inviting us to vote for one of the three nominees. The Conversation has so far attracted no comments. This could be because the Add Your Comments facility has not been activated or because you have to have cast a vote before you can leave a comment and voting only opened yesterday. I wanted to leave a comment on the competition so I shall have to make it here.

I found it impossible to make a choice between the three nominees because, in my view, they are all worthy of the Award so I shall not be voting on this occasion.

There is a further observation I should like to make: the blurb says that “as well as a prestigious Which? Award and £300 voucher, the winner will receive a coaching session with a consumer expert“. That is such a measly prize – the money element, I mean – that I feel Which? should be ashamed of itself. To put it into context, I note that utility TV presenter Steph McGovern, who is the hostess for the awards again this year, is listed as having appearance fees in the £6,000-£10,000 bracket per event. Has Which? done a deal and got a discount? I don’t suppose so.

Best of luck to all three contestants, but the winner is . . . . !!

I was perplexed too, John. Perhaps if the nominees had been invited to discuss on Convo the ways in which they have supported consumers we could be better informed about their contributions and then voted for their efforts. As it stands, I would like to spoil my ballot paper and vote for all of them.

Steph McGovern?

Welcome to World Vegetarian Day, the day in 1746 Bonnie Prince Charlie fled to France and the dismal day in 1843 on which the News of the World began publication in London

I gather it’s also National Poetry Day
That’s what I hoped you’d say
Then we’d switch to the Rhyming Room
To share more quips and ease our gloom!

Nat’nal poetry day, indeed, seems only in UK.
I wonder why our poets chose to have it this odd way?
I do remember wond’ring why there seem so many days,
But sure I am if your source claims it’s right, that’s what it says

Sorry I’m late. Traffic is exactly how it’s been every day for the past five years and I wasn’t expecting it.

Energizer bunny arrested; charged with battery.

There is probably a cell waiting.

There are so many scams on the Internet these days…. but for £19.95 I can show you how to avoid them.

I’ve been dealing with kitchens, but will, belatedly put something in the Rhyming Room to celebrate the day. It’s written in rough and needs typing.
Internet really playing up. Now you see it now you don’t. I enquired about tethering and was prepared to spend money on it, but the phone signal is as dire as the Wi Fi so I have to put up with what I’ve got .

Tethering is only viable in areas with a decent mobile signal, in my experience. If you were living on your boat long-term a mobile router with an external aerial might work, but hopefully you will be back home before long. It might be worth asking residents if other networks are better than the one you are using at present. If so, it could be worth switching and it is easy to keep your number.

Keep in touch when you can.

I think you’ve probably unwittingly overstepped the boundary on this occasion.

It would have been nice to think, in March, that all would be well in October. As it is I wouldn’t book anything next Summer and be sure of getting there. The television cruise channels advertise for 2021 giving the impression that it is enough time to kick the virus into touch. I don’t blame them, but anyone booking , and it seems that they are, are gambling and gambles are won and lost, mostly the latter.

Beryl’s comment seems to make friends with different comments on a whim of its own.

I also believe in freedom of speech and if someone in a public arena called me stupid I should also have the right in law to challenge that derogatory, without foundation, allegation.

I have visited the people on both sides of the 49th Parallel many times in the past and have found most of them friendly, courteous and polite – but never stupid.

You can go on your own isolated cruise, can’t you Vynor?
Incidentally, mightn’t it be rather unlucky to refer to the washing up receptacle on the boat as a “sink”. Isn’t this why we refer to “yacht basins”?

I took an interesting three hour rail trip on The Great Australian Ghan, supported by two engines and 38 carriages last week from my armchair. Travelling from Adelaide to Darwin, stopping at Alice Springs and Katherine before arriving at Darwin 54 hours later, learning about the European, Chinese and Aboriginal pioneers who helped to build the tracks, with commemorative plaques at every millionth sleeper.

I haven’t paid my TV Licence yet, but more documentaries of this calibre would perhaps justify the constant repeats and COVID media analysts pontificating their views with alacrity about what we have already absorbed and digested several times over, until the only way to escape it is to switch off, or worse, suffer the adverts on the other channels.

If we are to spend the next 6 months confined to our homes, let’s hope we can still travel the world without the hassle of waiting at airports and train stations, with more TV virtual journeys in the warmth and comfort of our own armchairs.

I stand corrected Malcolm. I have a galley and within it is a place for water to wash things in. My boat is, in fact, in a basin of sorts when not on a cruise. It’s more for living in just now.

We have a good legacy of decent tv programmes, documentaries, films, that are worth watching, even if we saw them a few years ago. I’ve enjoyed Rumpole of the Bailey on Talking Pictures, decent tales humorously scripted. The same channel shows some good old films that also show a background of life at the time, and they unearth some short documentary gems in Glimpses.

I have asked for it to be removed Malcolm. It’s caused by others comments posted in between Ian’s and mine to their own detriment. Someone is overstepping the boundaries at my expense 🙂


I have always received great hospitality when visiting the USA. It saddens me to see all the riots and other strife that they are currently suffering.

I agree, Derek. But I can sympathise with the motivations for such disturbance and the alienation between sections of the population.