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When is a tip not a tip? When P&O adds it automatically

P&O is the latest cruise line to add automatic daily gratuities to passengers’ onboard accounts. My tip for P&O? If you want to avoid angry customers, make sure they know all the facts.

Last December, we asked for your opinions on cruise tipping after Fred Olsen decided to change its policy and start charging a set daily amount. Most of you were against it, like John:

‘On balance I think the whole thing is an embarrassment and an anachronism that has no place in modern cruising. The wages should be decent and the fare should be set accordingly.’

And Barbara praised P&O’s tipping:

‘I prefer the method on P&O who let you tip each waiter and cabin person individually according to the service given.’

Oh dear. Barbara is unlikely to be happy with P&O’s recent change of course. On most of its ships, passengers currently pay any gratuities directly to the cabin stewards and waiter (if they so wish). But from next spring, the cruise operator will add £3.10 per person, per day onto bills that will be paid for at the end of the trip. This is to cover service charges for various ship staff.

Just the tip of the iceberg

It may not sound much, but a couple on a 99 day world cruise will end up paying an extra £608 in service charges. P&O says it has introduced this system because it ‘creates clarity for everyone by removing any awkwardness and confusion’ over how much they should tip.

Ever more ships (particularly US-owned ones) now automatically add service charges like this to people’s accounts, and often much more – at around £7 per passenger, per day.

And when you factor in an extra obligatory service charge, often 15%, which is added to all chargeable drinks and spa entry – not to mention a dotted line on the drinks receipt inviting you to add a further tip – it’s no wonder we Brits get frustrated.

Only premium cruise lines such as Regent, and a few more mainstream companies like Saga and Thomson, include service charges in their overall price. They then allow passengers to tip individual staff for exceptional service. Isn’t this a better way to encourage future good service?

Cruise companies need to be transparent

It’s true that the daily service charge is virtually always discretionary – you can get the amount adjusted or opt out of it completely by asking at the ship reception, although staff may dissuade you from doing this.

But how well-informed will P&O customers be about this new system? Will it be made clear to you at the time of booking (whether online, by P&O sales staff or by travel agents) that there will be this extra charge to pay at the end of the trip?

If not, that will be a nasty surprise for passengers, especially those loyal customers who cherish the more traditional tipping ways.

And I wonder if all customers will be told that they have the option to opt out of paying the charge? Several Which? members have told us that on other cruise lines, they only found this out by chance when talking to other people onboard their ship.

So, what do you think is the best system for tipping on cruise ships?

  • Pay a lower price for your cruise, and pay a daily amount to be shared amongst crew.
  • Pay a higher price for your cruise, and have no tips to pay once onboard.
  • Pay a lower price for your cruise, and pay tips to staff individually at your discretion.
Comments
Guest
cronk11 says:
6 December 2011

I again feel this tipping business is a nonsense . How can it be a tip if it is automatically added to a bill or have a semi-compulsary element? It should be viewed for what it is ,a plain rip off and a way to enable cruise lines to pay staff low wages and post artificially low headline prices. It should be outlawed

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Wardley lass says:
7 December 2011

I have already complained about this on a cruise line (Italian) where both food and entertainment were definitely 3rd class. This company is now saying that from this year the daily service charge will be considered part of the contract and NO-ONE will be able to opt out of any part of it. I really thought that P&O were above this kind of thing. I am very disapointed.

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trevor hydon says:
8 December 2011

As this charge is compulsory the OFT should demand that it is included in the advertised price of the cruise thereby making the cruise price less competitive. This would also prevent cruise lines making further steep rises in this “extra”

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Any “service charges” should be in the price so I prefer the second option; this maintains competitive pressure on cruise prices. Tipping individual staff isn’t entirely fair because a lot of other staff perform excellent service out of sight and these days many cruisers prefer casual dining where they help themselves – the hard-working staff who clear the tables probably never see a real tip and get a pittance from the “pool”. The P&O daily rate means few people will feel inclined to give any extra to staff who provide a more personal service throughout the cruise [like room stewards]. In my experience, when service charges are added separately and described as “discretionary”, very few people seek to pay a smaller amount or opt out altogether [preferring perhaps to reward one or two individuals only]. Making the charge part of the price eliminates the entire problematic issue of gratuities at a stroke but we need to watch out that the cruise lines don’t then just apply a percentage to the fare; it should remain a standard charge per passenger per day irrespective of grade of cabin.
Something I’ve never been able to fathom is why laundry charges on cruise ships are so high, given that every day they are having to wash thousands of towels, table cloths, dinner napkins, uniforms, bedlinen, and so on. With baggage limitations applying to fly-cruises it’s very difficult to avoid using the laundry service at some point, especially if the dress code requires evening dress.
I suppose these gripes must seem pathetic so I’ll shut up now.

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Chris S says:
9 December 2011

We have just booked with RCL and were told if we chose fixed dinning we could tip separately but that we could only choose ‘anytime’ dining (with a difference waiter each night) if we signed up to mandatory tipping.

I too think that tips, service charges etc should all be in the first price you see – but realise our North Americans friends are used to seeing a quoted price + GST (tax)

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Whether it is ‘fair’ or not is not really the issue. The issue is: Which system ensures good quality of service and product.

I live in both the UK and US. The standard of service is markedly different in each country and it seems to me, that is due to the way servers gain their income. In the US servers are not paid the same minimal wage, but less. They earn most from tips.

Tipping affects every aspect of the product and service. Under the US system the server will not only be pleasant in their service, they will also ensure your food is top quality and the way you asked for it cooked. The tipped server is ‘on your side’. She or he will ensure good quality because the server knows their tip is dependent on it. With horror stories of what happens to your food behind the scenes, you can be reassured you are less likely to endure such horrors, if the waiter knows his income is dependent on all aspects of the service and food you receive.

You cannot be so assured in the UK, where the waiter sees no impact on his income.

If you regularly visit the same restaurant it is worth tipping well. Servers develop a rapport with their customers, and a knowledge of your personal likes and dislikes.

How much to tip? Servers are not fools. They can judge their customers and know who can afford to tip well and who cannot. They also know cultural differences and know Brits are not accustomed to tipping. Tip as you can afford. You will get the same service.

The culture of tipping is essentially paying people by the quality of their service, not pay because of some ‘right’. That culture pervades all aspects of US service, even into service areas where tips are not given – such as supermarket check-outs. When retail staff say ‘Have a nice day’, they mean it. They want you to come back because they know their job is dependent on you coming back. The culture of tipping makes for a more affable and happy life.

Last year I bought a new tyre at an independent UK retailer. The service was remarkable – efficient and courteous, they went out of their way to ensure I was happy with the service and confident in the product. I am used to that standard of service in the US but not in the UK. Paying the owner, I made that comment. He chuckled, saying he had lived and worked in the US. No wonder he had a queue of customers. And I left a tip for the tyre fitter.

The culture of tipping depends on both sides knowing the rules. Got good service and good product? Give a tip. If not, don’t tip, and don’t buy from outlets that automatically charge for service.

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Andy says:
9 December 2011

What can one do to opt out with P&O new approach, who did not advise at time of booking nor did the travel agent. This is total misrepresentation.

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johnson says:
26 March 2013

Tipping should be earned. We have done several p @O cruises all excellant. but we feel annoyed that our cruise cost has been increased by nearly £90. We have not been informed by our booking agent. We found out by reading the small print in the catalogue. Annoyed pensioners

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jastan says:
9 December 2011

The wealth creation sector will always look for ways to increase returns to shareholders and boost market value – look around you and you will see many examples. When people are forced to trim their spending, once the recession starts to bite, then expect more “try-ons” as companies are forced to massage their finances to keep the markets happy. Whatever they do it will be dressed up as a benefit to the consumer. Let the buyer beware ……. as someone famously once said.

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Leslie Coles says:
10 December 2011

My wife & I cruise with Fred Olsen ( 7th Cruise) we always go the the customer service desk on the 1st day and opt out of their automatic gratuities, we give tips for good service i.e. the cabin cleaning staff, and the table waiter. As for P.O. adding automatic gratuities at the bottom of the page in very tiny print it says that you can opt out if you wish. I firmly believe that all crew should be paid a fare wage, even if it means that we would have to pay more.

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I agree that staff should be paid a fare wage, and it should not be necessary to tip the cleaners, etc. If the cabin is dirty you should complain to customer services and they can take appropriate action.

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E.R.Potts says:
10 December 2011

This trip to the Customer Services was our usual early task on cruise ships and then keep an eye on who earns a tip at the end of the cruise. However in the last couple of years, this option is increasingly being prohibited. This is ok where the daily gratuity is no more than say $12 per day, however this American custom is unstable, I see a tip is now expected to be around 20% in the USA and will likely be increased on ships in the future. Why do the owners not just charge a proper cruise fee and pay the staff a living wage. Then the customer can decide what is value for booking and add a proper tip to those who earn it.

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I see that I have typed ‘fare wage’. My fingers have now been reprimanded.

Guest

There should be no automatic adding of tips by the supplier of goods or services and it should be made illegal. Only the customer can decide if and what and when to tip.

If there was no opt out I would not use the company.

Likewise, the automatic 15% added to drinks prices, even if you go to the bar yourself, is disgraceful.

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It is almost impossible to legislate for things that occur on the high seas [hence the poor conditions of service of the crew] and it is not made any easier by the fact that most ships are registered in convenient places that exercise minimal control over on-board practices.

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The price one pays for one’s cruise should cover everything that is provided as a necessity on board including the service. Hiding service charges, credit card payments and other so called ‘extras’ is dishonest, whether on cruises, airlines, supermarkets, on-line shopping or anywhere else, and should be treated as such by the legal authorities. It is the growth of these cons. that has caused such distrust of all commercial activities in the modern world.

Guest

This is the best and most succinct summary of the tipping/extras topic I have seen . It says it all : no need to add anything other than the price you see in the “shop window” should be the price you end up paying at the till. We are on the road to removing all additives from food – Maybe additive free service is the next big thing

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trevor says:
12 December 2011

perhaps the OFT should be approached

Guest

We use Saga, & Swan Hellenic. In both, tips are included in your cost. You are not obliged to tip anyone. You normally get excellent service but in many cases we have found ourselves tipping those who have been exceptional in their attendance and service.

Guest

Tipping should be banned. It is ridiculous to pay thousands of pounds for a service and then be expected to pay more when the service is delivered. One doesn’t tip the pilot of an aircraft for landing safely or the cabin crew for serving a coffee. Why should one tip the waiter for delivering room service? It’s their job for goodness sakes. I just had a look at the new tipping policy in P&O and decided not to bother booking a 52 day cruise with them.

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Anonymous says:
15 April 2012

I worked on a cruise ship. what I can tell you about the tips is that everything you give goes straight to the person providing the service. The cost of the service itself virtually all goes to the cruise line or subsidiaries… If it wasn’t for the tips most people working on ships would have miserable earnings. It’s a very bad policy if you ask me…

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peter says:
1 May 2012

If the crew were paid decent wages service would much improve and avoid tipping nonsense.

Generally Europeans including pursers and officers who deal with passengers CAN BE unhelpful and disinterested in the passengers.

I WOULD DECREASE THEIR SALARIES AND PERKS AND REDISTRIBUTE THE SAVINGS TO THE HARD WORKING STEWARDS AND OTHER CREW.

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man says:
17 July 2012

This is a terrible article, it is misleading and unfactual. Do your homework before spewing things that aren’t true, sir. Also, if people can’t take care of their money well enough to find out exactly how much they are spending, then it is their fault, NOT the cruise line’s. The policies are there, and are sent in the guidelines prior to boarding.

And all you complainers make me sick. This is as close to getting rid of tipping as you will get, but the crew still deserves to be compensated directly. After all, the entire cruise experience is created by the hard-working crew. Why shouldnt we compensate them? Not to mention that you have the option to adjust the amount your tipping fees are.

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johnson says:
26 March 2013

I worked in the health service for nearly 30 years, getting out af bed in the winter after working a 12 hour shift, Getting no tip or extra payment Time in loo was to be given but was never available due to staff shortage. Tips who deserves tips for doing a good job.

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Time in loo? I’m not sure anyone would be keen on that. 🙂

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Sol says:
18 July 2012

I travel by Saga & Swan Hellenic, Both have all charges included. I normally pay a little extra to my cabin steward and any other ship’s crew who has gone the extra mile, The rip offs continue !!! Only if you let them !!!!!

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Wardley Lass says:
18 July 2012

Man is totally missing the point. Cruise lines should pay decent wages to ALL the crew. Those who don’t come in contact with passengers aren’t able to get tips. Do you really think that the owners pay them a higher rate because they are hidden away in the bowels of the ship. A gratuity should only be an option that can be used to reward someone who has gone beyond what their job entails. The price paid should cover everything. Some companies seem able to cope with this concept without difficulty. P&O have a problem because they are now US owned.

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Trebor says:
6 August 2012

We have only been on the Crown Princess, I by-passed this by handing our cabin Stewart an envelope with what we regarded fair, my question to these cruise liner company’s, I run a large German car & live in the UK, would they like to help me with the running costs of my car? Petrol is expensive, road tax, insurance, mot’s, wear & tear, Its up to me to keep the car, if I could not afford I would sell it, If these companys cannot afford to pay their staff a decent wage without implementing these charges, sell the ships “SIMPLE”

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ian says:
11 May 2013

why should i spend my hard earned cash on tipping. It’s antiquated, nobody i know gets tipped for doing their job so why should i be expected to tip someone else. If i didn’t use their service along with many other folk then they would be out of a job ,thats commercial reality.

Imagine filling up for petrol to be told , yes sir and that “x” amount extra for a tip.

Come to think of it , i MUST FIND OUT HOW THE CONVIENIENT “fuel surcharge” is funded by P&O.
Now that smacks of ripoff. I wonder how much it actually costs to fuel a cruise liner and how they arrive at the present day figure of £100 per person surcharge for fuel. I bet it is never removed and it just happens to be a nice round figure of £100 which is roughly about £200,000 per trip for a liner with 2000 passengers.
Very nice earner indeed.
STINKS

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ian says:
11 May 2013

spelling mistakes above as so cheesed off at getting ripped off

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Depends on what service quality you want.

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Steve says:
27 July 2016

Just been informed from P&O that there will be £5+ per day per person tip added to our bill to cover tips, has anyone been asked to tip on entering a restaurant before eating ? what a complete rip off why can’t they add this to the initial cost and make you aware. 4000 + passengers on Britannia £21k a week taken ( whose the mug)

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Julie says:
21 October 2016

Don’t get me started on this…… ok the facts… you are paying ALOT of money these days for any holiday – especially cruises – and I TOTALLY understand that staff who work in the laundry or in the kitchen are not front line staff so are not receiving a tip direct – but I totally agree with the comment made – opting out details are not advertised in bold print – enough said !

I know you should try to do your homework prior to going on a holiday yourself to a degree; daily amounts ARE printed on P&O cruises stating five pounds and fifty pence is automatically taken daily, however a couple new to a cruise holiday may think ‘that’s not too bad’ only to realise when its too late that the amount stated is per person ! Most people are travelling as a couple so they should really state the higher amount of eleven pounds daily and write (five pounds and fifty pence for passengers travelling alone) but they don’t !

I am sorry, but would you go on holiday and each and every day/night tip eleven pounds for 2 weeks solid – I don’t think so !!

SO, you just need to take yourself to reception on the 1st day of your cruise and very nicely say ‘sorry we would like to tip ourselves thankyou’ and you will be given a form to complete which you need to return to reception the following day ! You are then free to tip as and when you want to whom you want for that extra special smile or friendly face that greets you and yes I know its not tipping the person in the kitchens, but it is what it is.

Yes we are happy to tip and do – but not eleven pounds each and every day !