The Lobby: Off-topic discussion

Hello and welcome to The Lobby! Your place to discuss subjects that just don’t fit in our other conversations. Make yourself at home!

This Lobby is closed to new comments

Do you want to discuss an issue but can’t find the right place to post it? Or maybe you’re looking for somewhere to chat with your community pals? Well, you’ve come to the right place…

As with any community or conversation it can – and does – wander off-topic. This is perfectly natural, but it hasn’t always been possible to do so on some of our posts because of the precisely defined nature of each subject.

So, at the behest of some of our community members, we created this off-topic discussion area – The Lobby.

Any ideas spawned here in The Lobby could generate new posts for debate and discussion on Which? Conversation, so you – our community members – are able to help shape the direction of our community.

What happened to the original Lobby?

Why do we have two Lobbies? Well, like all good franchises, we wanted to experiment with a sequel. But seriously, the original Lobby was so popular (with almost 13,000 comments), it was becoming hard to load the page.

So we’re starting fresh with what we’re affectionately calling “The Lobby 2”.

No comments from first Lobby have been deleted, and you can still link to comments, but you won’t be able to add new comments.

Guidelines

To ensure The Lobby remains a healthy and friendly place for you all to share your thoughts, musings all of our Community Guidelines apply, with the exception of one:

You may go off-topic… that is the purpose of The Lobby.  🙂

Looking for other areas to talk?

• Website feedback: Let us know about any technical issues, and share your ideas on the future of Which? Conversation

Which.net closure: A discussion about the closure of Which.net

Which? Members: Discuss issues related to our organisation, including governance

Welcome to the Lobby!

So without further ado… welcome! What are you waiting for!?

Comments

Hello everyone, and welcome to Plastic Surgery Addicts Anonymous. I see a lot of new faces here tonight.

We we all told masks were now mandatory in confined spaces

Another World’s Oldest Man has died. This is beginning to look suspicious.

Don’t let the press know.

And I’m starting to get worried.

Yesterday, I fell off a 10 meter ladder. Thank goodness I was on the third rung.

A ten meter ladder sounds American but they tend to avoid the metric system.

🙂 I really must check the spelling…

Both my smart phones and my iPad are not updating Convo “recent activity”or “latest comments” although Convos seem up to date. The last one is 8 hours old about DAB. Anyone else having the problem? My pc seems to update OK

This comment appears in recent activity and latest comments but no one else’s comments since 8 hrs ago.

I’m having a different issue; it won’t allow me to post the jokes sequentially. The way round it is that I post gibberish of three or four letters, which it accepts, then I edit that and it permits the full joke. Yesterday I suffered Vynor’s log out issue. It didn’t let me log in to post, although I managed to fool it eventually into accepting my log in.

But it’s clear something is amiss.

And now it’s showing me as not logged in, but when I post it appears I am.

If you post a link to these comments in the website feedback Convo the website mender will probably respond.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/08/which-gives-consumers-a-say-in-post-brexit-trade-deals/
”The National Conversation on Trade will involve 90 participants spread over five locations: Dundee, Newcastle, Cardiff, Swindon and Belfast.

Just who are these 90 participants and how were they chosen? I have seen no notice that this was happening. Are they Which? Members?

We have been asking for proper involvement of Members with Which? – engagement is a word often used. Is this a sign it is happening?

When the views of these 90 are crystallised will all Which? Members who are interested be allowed to see them and comment on them before they are announced as the consumers’ view.

Seems odd that no one from the south east will be participating.

Or the south west, midlands, east of England. I wonder how this might be really representative when industry, farming, fishing, are factors?

This should also include pharmaceutical and medical supply trade deals, to include private practice a well as NHS.

”Participants come from all walks of life and have been carefully chosen to represent a cross-section of the population and a range of political views, including remain and leave voters, as well as those who did not vote in the 2016 referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union. ………..Participants are also being recruited to ensure they reflect the demographics of the area in line with the 2011 Census, as well as reflecting the voting patterns of the area in the 2016 EU referendum.

It would be useful to know the (anonymised) declared interests, knowledge and stance of these participants. Finding just 18 people – male, female, other, white, coloured, Tory, labour, liberal, remain, Brexit, young, middle aged, elderly, in industry, retail, services, public life, student, housekeeping……….. who can present a truly representative view of all consumers seems a daunting task. Opinion polls usually need around 2000 participants to claim to be representative.

I see other organisations are involved. It will be interesting to see what the outcome is. I hope we consumers will get our chance to comment on what might be said in our names.

I should add that I support any initiative to seek the wider public’s views on the future of the UK and that includes its trading relationships with the rest of the world. It is a complex issue that involves not just common sense wishes but will need to compromise on matters where other participants have national interests to consider. I am simply asking how a cohesive approach can best be achieved.

What I would like to see is each of the significant details in trade negotiations, for example product safety, food standards, travel, health care, industry support, being examined in detail by Which? in as neutral a way as possible and views sought and collated now we face the reality of imminent deals.

Malcolm – The clue is in the words “Participants have been carefully chosen . . . “.

If 90 people can be so carefully chosen to represent the views of the whole population of the UK, why do we need 650 Member of Parliament and around 800 Members in the upper house? Think what money we could save. And we could use a much smaller building, or simply use Teams or Zoom so no second homes needed. 🙂

Welcome to International Clouded Leopard Day, the day in 1971 when the US launched the first satellite into lunar orbit from a manned spacecraft and the day in 1987 the FCC in America voted 4-0 to rescind the fairness doctrine for broadcasters.

Sometimes, when I’m matching socks, I think, “What if these two socks don’t even like each other?”

That’s no mean feat.

I would like to thank everybody that stuck by my side for those five long minutes my house didn’t have internet.

Sock psychoanalysis is a good remedy for internet withdrawal symptoms.

Perhaps Psockoanalysis? 🙂

My girlfriend and I often laugh about how competitive we are. But I laugh more.

I’m not a competitive person but I am always the first to admit it.

Laughter is the best medicine ……..provided you laugh with and not at.

I have recently had three scam calls claiming to be from Trading Standards. I have tried to find out what they know about TS but the caller has ended the call abruptly.

Welcome to Oyster Day, the day in 1882 when Standard Oil of New Jersey was established and the day in 1957 when Andy Capp made his debut in the Mirror.

Retirement is wonderful. It’s doing nothing without worrying about getting caught at it.

The hours are good, the pay is poor, and the joke has been recycled.

True…

🙂 I hope there is no rule against recycling jokes.

If number 666 is evil, then 25.8069758011 is the root of all evil.

My kids have been throwing Scrabble tiles at each other again. It’s all fun and games until someone loses an i.

Best to stick to throwing insults at each other and totting up the scores. QZJX sounds unpleasant but is it a word?

From NS today:

“Virologists have been excluded from UK government discussions on how to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, says the UK Clinical Virology Network, which represents researchers in the field. Virologists say they were not consulted about the government’s purchase of new 90 minute tests for the coronavirus and other respiratory viruses from two UK companies, which was announced yesterday. The group sent a letter to government scientific and medical advisors, Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty in July but say they have not heard back. “It just seems there is a rush to do everything privately,” Will Irving, one of the signatories at the University of Nottingham, told the Guardian”

I do hope that decisions are based on our best understanding of the science and not just left in the hands of politicians and business.

There is an interesting article about a second wave of coronavirus on the NS website: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2248216-why-hasnt-the-uk-seen-a-second-wave-of-the-coronavirus/ This was written before it was admitted that the number of daily cases is rising.

Although people have ignored advice not to descend on beaches these have not yet featured in the virus hotspots round the country. Maybe the real risk is being indoors in confined spaces. That’s my thought.

Welcome to International Sailor Moon Day, the day in 1945 when a nuclear weapon was used for the fist time against a civilian population when it was dropped on the city of Hiroshima by the US B-29 Superfortress Enola Gay and the day in 1991 when Tim Berners-Lee released files describing his idea for the World Wide Web.

I have a statistics joke, but it’s not significant.

Here is a joke by statistician Rob J Hyndman:

The Physicist, the Chemist, and the Statistician

Three professors (a physicist, a chemist, and a statistician) are called in to see their dean. Just as they arrive the dean is called out of his office, leaving the three professors there. The professors see with alarm that there is a fire in the wastebasket.

The physicist says, “I know what to do! We must cool down the materials until their temperature is lower than the ignition temperature and then the fire will go out.”

The chemist says, “No! No! I know what to do! We must cut off the supply of oxygen so that the fire will go out due to lack of one of the reactants.”

While the physicist and chemist debate what course to take, they both are alarmed to see the statistician running around the room starting other fires. They both scream, “What are you doing?”

To which the statistician replies, “Trying to get an adequate sample size.”

Brilliant Wavechange! That raised a laugh or two.

Thanks Vynor. I thought we needed a good joke rather than one of mine.

I have an inferiority complex but it’s not a very good one.

I like modesty but those who should practise it rarely do.

I know one or two people who keep their modesty well concealed, and their superiority complex is always better than anyone else’s.

Ever wondered what it looks like?

http://www.laughingsquid.com – The Inferiority Complex – Grant Snider – About the ups and downs of Self-Esteem Trouble.

My fear of moving stairs is escalating.

Tread Gingerly on Astaire.

Have you been doing cryptic crosswords?

Has anyone any experience of using the Resolver website to contact companies or make complaints? https://www.resolver.co.uk/en-GB/