Potholes: are you tired of ropey road surfaces?

Maybe he could fire up his particle accelerator he keeps in his shed in the garden and give us a reading Wavechange.

I thought the particle accelerator was to fire chippings into potholes.

These commercial quick-fill pothole machines should have a street sweeping machine in tow to collect the surplus stones. Or maybe an Autoglass roadside repair van. 🙁

Your quite right Wavechange I have a small crack on my windscreen due to a stone chip its not big enough to affect the MOT.

If the particle accelerator was one that Quark acquired from the Pygorians, you might end up with a planethole rather than a repaired pothole, and Autoglass might need a bit of retraining in terraforming.

Duncan, is your small crack small enough to be repaired? If your car insurance includes free stone chip repair, it could be worth getting them to have a look at it. They can repair a spider effect if it doesn’t get too big.

It could save you having to buy a new windscreen, and I have been quite surprised at the quality of the repairs.

Just back from the shopping Alfa – thanks for that info I will check into it.

Not all motorists will benefit. Only those who drive on roads with potholes. And I believe VED currently is far in excess of what it costs to maintain our roads. And mending all the roads in the UK would mean greater employment, more tax from the treasury, so more cars and thus more VED, fuel tax and VAT, so it would make economic sense for the government to commit immediately to repairing all roads everywhere.

We need to find extra money from somewhere to pay the contractors to mend the potholes. Some of the payments will be returned as tax so the £12M (£14M this morning) is almost certainly overstated and the tax take will help. But money needs to come from somewhere – diverted from other funds or taken from taxpayers directly.

It does not matter that VED is in excess of roads maintenance. I am suggesting that VED is a way of identifying a group where most will benefit, rather than the whole taxpaying population, so is one possible route for a targeted contribution, just as is fuel duty. However, others may have better solutions.

You see, I question the premise itself. When you say “We need to find extra money from somewhere to pay the contractors” if it were we who were paying for a leaky roof to be fixed, then yes; you’re absolutely correct. But that’s not how government works. I don’t fully understand how Government works in this regard but then I don’t believe I’m alone since none of the Government economists seems to, either. What I’m saying is that it seems more rational to commit to the work then evaluate the result. In a sense that’s the only way government can operate; the numerous factors involved in economies render it more akin to a chaos operation, rather than a finely-tuned plan.

‘Balancing the budget’ to me, anyway, seems more a phrase designed to keep the masses in line rather than a serious proposition for a national economy.

If it were that easy, then we would be building more hospitals, providing more social care, fixing the roads, and not having to make choices. If we think private finance initiatives are the answer then just look at how the repayments have crippled our health service.

Works requires labour and materials. Both need money to pay for them. Money is simply a transfer of wealth, but that wealth has to be created in the first place. Tax is where the funds come from and it is generated by the wealth creators – business and natural resources.

Do we want to end up like Ireland, Spain, Portugal Greece when the EU money was “invested” and then…………..not the underlying financial strength to follow it up.

Well, you raise some interesting points, and of course it’s far from easy. And I never mentioned PFIs in any way, because I suspect they’re the most dangerous concept introduced.

But in a sense you touch on the crux of the matter, when you say “Works requires labour and materials. Both need money to pay for them.”. And yes – in the world of us, our families and friends, that’s exactly what happens. But not with Government. And the examples you give are proof of what I’m saying, I think. Your example only works at the small scale: it doesn’t work at the Macro scale, because no one really comprehends how it should. Many think they do, some think they might and a lot haven’t got a clue and say so.

But your point about ‘wealth’ is the interesting one, largely because at the macro level it’s essentially meaningless. Governments print money – they create money and they own money. And increasingly Governments are not holding gold reserves to back up that currency. So essentially money is what other believe it to be; but it has little or no basis in reality for Governments.

Sadly, most Governments believe it’s right to preach to the masses using household economic models instead of macro economic models which, as we know, no one really understands ,or can believe any more. It’s not a conspiracy, more like breathtaking incompetence and stupidity. So let’s get those potholes sorted.

Printing money is no answer – as the Germans and others found out in the past. We also found the impact of real economics when we’d spent all our money on WW2 and were bankrupted, up to our necks in debt, largely to the Americans.The value of our money then begins to fall, as it depends very much upon what other countries think of our financial situation. There is no magic pot; unless we expect people to give their labour for nothing and someone donates all the materials we need. We have to buy in oil, gas, steel, timber, for example from other countries and they need it to be paid for. Running a country is like running a business – or indeed your family finances. If the spending exceeds the income you go bankrupt – unless some fairy godmother bails you out.

But you make my point for me. You say “The value of our money then begins to fall, as it depends very much upon what other countries think of our financial situation”, so it simply depends entirely on the imagination of the banker. And we know what their imaginations are capable of doing.

Running a country is nothing like running a business; that’s the fatal flaw. It’s a far, far too simplistic comparison. Spending in all the major economies always, always exceeds income. There are no exceptions. The US – the world’s leading economy has a national debt of 21Trillion dollars, rising at a rate of $10m per sec. Their spending has been exceeding their income for as long as I can remember.

You’re an engineer, Malcolm. You deal with certainties, absolutes and predictions based on reality and established facts. If you managed an Engineering project the way Economists manage national economies hardly anything would work – other than by sheer luck. I know it’s a lot to ‘get your head round’, as our colonial cousins would say, but I’ve been examining international macro economics and macro economics in general for many, many years – and the extremely worrying conclusions I, and many others, have reached is that Macroeconomics is largely an illusion. It doesn’t work as you might expect it to work, not just because it’s essentially a chaotic system but because it’s operated by people, and people routinely lie, cheat, obfuscate, misrepresent and change things without having any idea of what the outcomes will be. At least, they do in Economics.

And much as we might think Duncan’s imagination is a little too fanciful at times, there’s no denying that it’s primarily the great trans-national companies that determine how individual economies will perform.

As an aside government departments have been using the Household economics arguments to justify cutting budgets for health care, slashing disability payments and wreaking havoc on the lives of the less well-off for years, yet if I’m right they’ve been fabricating excuses to justify politically-motivated actions which have no basis in reality – whatever constitutes reality in the bizarre worlds of macro economics..

If we print money, eventually our costs increase in pounds but other countries will not give us the same equivalent in their currencies – like the rest of us, they’ll pay us what it is worth to them, or they’ll get the same stuff from somewhere else. So we lose out, and our inflated currency becomes devalued. I remember the aftermath of the last war when because we, as a country, were on our financial knees we could not afford to buy the food we wanted, or the materials, for a good few years and so we had rationing. I don’t want to see fantasy economics taking us back down that road.

Back to potholes? Perhaps we could give some of the jobs to those who are capable currently on benefits or in prison?

I wish my mind was “fanciful” regrettably its totally down to earth as realism makes you depressed. You all obviously don’t believe me when I say I have spent years /decades finding out the truth and call everything I say as conspiracy theory exactly what the original inventors of it (CIA ) intended , never mind , I have the names of those at the very top of the ladder , who control governments , who own all the banks , and who run western society . Malcolm has hit the nail on the head in one sentence — paper money is worthless and it started when gold was dropped to back up national security . Up until then countries had to live within their means but once national debt was introduced then those who planned all this were able to take control and they have- quote – I do not care who is the figure head of a country as long as I control the money supply then it is I who really controls it- check that out –if you dare , a poster a year ago got his post removed for naming who said it.All down to earth no fanciful notions . Would I really be allowed to post the truth ?? The owners have no intention of letting the general public know who owns them you cant post it on normal British websites . You are “owned ” if you are in debt that applies to individuals /countries and national blocks , why don’t you all open your eyes to reality ? -because you would rather not and change the subject.

I was actually saying there was something in what you’ve been telling us, Duncan.

Malcolm: I was born quite a bit after the last war, so don’t remember that period, really. But the problem is that we already live in an era of fantasy economics; how else would you describe the amounts lost or gained betting on futures, or the fact that no one not a single individual – has rebutted the chief economist when he claimed they didn’t know what they were doing, effectively?

Quite agree about employing the unemployed. Hitler did that with remarkable results; certainly put Germany back on a firm footing. Now, if only he hadn’t had such an annoying hobby…