Are you being driven potty by potholes in your area?

A quick fix may be the only rapid solution but a proper repair or replacement of a poor section of road is essential. Our local roads are good with the exception of some country lanes but elsewhere in the country I have seen repairs of repairs, where it is obvious that this is not going to be a long-term solution.

One reason temporary repairs are made to potholes is to make that bit of road safe as quickly as possible. To repair the pothole more permanently may require a more extensive section of road to be removed, possibly requiring traffic control. I reported a local one that was near the middle if the road, and a road closure was required to be able to safely work on it. Our local authority repair around 4000 a month even when there is no severe weather – around 150 a day – and must do them as expediently as possible. If they had the money they would no doubt be replacing deficient road surfaces, but they haven’t. So how much extra would we like to pay in council tax?

I have recently reported two large potholes to Norfolk County Council using the on-line reporting facility. What a performance! It would have been much quicker to send an e-mail if I had known who to send it to. I tried to set up an account that is necessary if you wish to track the rectification but the system didn’t work properly and the link it sent me failed. Reverting to the ‘anonymous’ mode with no feedback function took me loads more clicks and they needed to know exactly – to a street door number – where the potholes were so I had to open an on-line OS map and enlarge it to determine the position. It was necessary to estimate the radius of the holes and their depth. They also wanted to know whereabouts in the carriageway the holes were – at the edge, in the wheel tracks, in the middle, etc. I can understand the reasons for all this information because it would obviously make the response more efficient but I can imagine many people not continuing with such a long-winded process so potholes get left unrepaired until someone’s car gets damaged. I could see that both the potholes I reported were old ones that had reopened and the section of road they were in was in exceedingly poor condition with many patches so it really requires a complete reconstruction and resurfacing – but will the pothole repair crew report that back to the office? – I doubt it [they depend on recurring potholes for their livelihood]. That might be unfair so I shall keep an eye on this particuar stretch of highway.

Very interesting John since you place a great deal of faith in “authorities”, I dont of coarse , but did you eventually get verification that it was logged into the system ? You do know the legal reason for this ? unless it is officially in the council roads dept. records the next person who breaks their car axle hasn’t a chance of suing the council as they will deny , and have done in the past, any knowledge of it.

Because of the reporting system’s failure to provide me with an account through which I could track the repair activity I do not have complete verification but I have received an automatic acknowledgment that my complaint has been logged so the County Council will not be able to deny knowledge of it. I subsequently reported the fault with the reporting system and this has been rectified so I have now been able to set up an account to enable me to track action on any future reports should I wish to.

I don’t have any special degree of faith in authorities but my overall experience is very satisfactory. I have reported failed street lights and found them to have been repaired within days – although I accept that I might not have been the first person to report them. Local authorities’ insurers presumably put pressure on them to have an effective fault reporting and rectification system, possibly under an approved quality assurance process, in order to reduce the potential for damage and injury claims, and it is also in the financial interests of councils to avoid costly claims management action and to keep insurance premiums as low as possible.

In the particular case of the potholes I have recently reported, they are wide but not especially deep and vehicle wheels roll over them safely – although it would be hazardous for a cyclist. The road has a 20 mph speed limit and is well-lit at the location; they are also on a raised platform of road [speed table] that is also an unofficial pedestrian crossing point, so drivers should be going cautiously at reduced speed prompted by the approach hump. I suggest that any vehicle damage here would be more likely to be caused by bad driving. Nevertheless, the potholes need to be fixed as soon as possible and I shall be checking every time I use that section of road.

I start out on these adventures into the world of public service in an optimistic frame of mind, Duncan, and use the processes available in every expectation that the authorities will do what they say they will. I am one of those annoying individuals for whom very few things seem to go wrong in such interactions and I invariably get satisfactory results so my mind is not tainted by suspicion that the public bodies will act dishonestly or against the public interest. I wish my experience of commerce was so favourable. The overall competence and integrity of our public services are the only things that make the re-nationalisation of any privatised services even thinkable, so for those who pursue such goals it is probably best to have faith in our public servants and not undermine them through a lack of confidence in their ability to perform properly.

I have found our local councillor very useful and helpful when local things need sorting out.

They know the right people to approach to get issues put right and it gives them something to boast about come election time.

The only time I had an issue with a pothole was when the council itself had specially dug one and forgotten to leave out the warning signs. I took photos and claimed for a damaged sump and fractured tyre wall. They paid up.

It makes a lot of sense for those discovering potholes to be asked about their size and position, as it enables priorities to be set for examination and action. Of course, you don’t have to do this, but as part of the community and you are able, it helps. When I reported my pothole I was kept up to date with progress and the report showed the pothole as officially recorded.

Some years ago, a windscreen got badly chipped with a spider effect from an oncoming car on a road where loose chippings had been left.

We claimed, and I cannot remember who now, but our claim passed through an unbelievable chain of organisations and companies who duly notified us our claim was being processed.

Many people seem to ignore the recommended speed when a road surface has been dressed and is awaiting the loose chippings to be removed.

I agree Malcolm. I have seen vehicles travelling at 60-70mph on roads that have 20mph speed limits following resurfacing. It’s important that the roads are swept periodically following resurfacing and that temporary speed limits are not in place longer than necessary, other the signs will be ignored.

I am pleased to report that the two potholes I recently notified were soon marked up for attention. I await the patching.

Was that a spray and grit resurfacing?

I wish someone would point out to councils that spray and grit is false economy.

We can wait years for a road to be properly resurfaced. Then they ruin it with spray and grit.

Grit sticks to tyres and breaks up other road surfaces creating potholes that then need periodic refilling. If it rains grit gets washed into drains causing flooding. The council then have to spend money getting the drains cleaned out. More money to send out road sweepers. Then the white lines have to repainted. Then there is the damage to cars they have to pay for.

Much better to save the money for a proper re-surface of tarmac.

From Shropshire’s website:
“2. Surface dressing
Surface dressing is a simple and highly cost-effective method of repairing the road surface, which can prevent much more expensive work being needed later. It allows us to maintain a high quality road network on a finite budget.

– It seals the road surface which prevents water getting in to the underlying road structure.
– It slows the deterioration of the road surface and underlying road structure.
– It restores skid resistance to the road surface.
– It helps to reduce spray caused by vehicles travelling on wet road surfaces.
– The rapid speed of the process means that disruption to road users, local businesses and
emergency services is minimised.
– It lasts up to 10 years, maximising the cost-effectiveness of limited highway maintenance
funds.”

They can say what they like malcolm, they will never convince me. If spray and grit is so darned good, why are these same roads littered with potholes within a few years of being done.

I also forgot to mention the hazard of loose grit to pedestrians, cyclists and motor cyclists.

A local road was resurfaced about 10 years ago and they must have forgotten to spray and grit it afterwards. It is not heavily used, but the condition is as good as the day it was done.

I am convinced councils do it because they can claim to have treated more roads.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/council-s-quick-fix-road-repairs-branded-a-waste-of-money-1-4643726
Last year the “surface dressing” technique – which involves spraying the road with bitumen and covering it with stone chippings – left cars covered in dust and people coughing and spluttering. This year, road surfaces have started breaking up just weeks after being treated and other streets are said to have humps, presenting a trip hazard. or loose chippings flying in all directions as cars drive past.

Alfa – It was bitumen and chippings that were used for resurfacing the road. I was surprised it was done because it seemed in good condition, but I assume the surface was too smooth. It was our earlier Conversations that has encouraged me to look for potholes and cat’s eyes.

Just passing on Shropshire’s statement alfa; I’ve no knowledge of these matters. 🙂 It may be the basic road structure was defective.

The Highways Agency publish specifications for road surfacing, and here’s an extract from the bit on resurfacing concrete ones which expresses reservations:
“3.11 Surface dressings may not have a very long life where turning heavy commercial traffic is likely to scour the surface. An advantage of bituminous surface dressing is the speed at which it can be applied, but it is a weather susceptible operation which is restricted to a limited season. Care must be taken in the selection of the right binder to suit the circumstances and control applied to achieve an even distribution of binder and chippings. Traffic control measures are extensive and complex because of the need for controlled slow speed trafficking of newly applied dressing, followed by sweeping to dislodge and remove any loose chippings.
Surface dressing is likely to need renewing at least once during the structural life of the slab.

3.13 A high level of low speed skidding resistance can be achieved by the application of a surface treatment consisting of various resin based binders and highly abrasion resistant calcined bauxite chippings. The performance of this type of treatment on concrete may not be as good as on bituminous surfaces because of the difficulty of obtaining good bond between the binder and the concrete surface over large area “

Our council still lists the roads due for resurfacing in 2017, including the one that has been messed up. I hope that it remains in the 2018 list.

It would be interesting to know whether councils do pursue contractors when poor quality work is done.

Norfolk County Council does. It has had contractors back to redo long stretches of highway which failed and broke up soon after resurfacing. The work was redone at the contractor’s expense.

The council also makes mistakes itself, however, and recently had a central refuge with illuminated bollards installed at a junction which made the junction unworkable. It had to have it dismantled and repositioned several metres away. This in itself caused additional disruption because the electrical connections had to be diverted through a new trench.

I hope that our parish council will have the matter in hand because it is very active. If it is not mentioned in our magazine, I will report the problem.

You are lucky to still have illuminated bollards, John. When our road was resurfaced, new non-illuminated bollards (ones on springs that can survive being drive over) were fitted. One job that was done well was replacement of failed cat’s eyes.

If the bollards ever get hit at night it shows they should have been illuminated!

On lit roads with 30 mph or lower speed limits illuminated bollards should not really be necessary but, as a pedestrian crossing a road via a central refuge, I feel safer if I think the traffic can see the bollards clearly.

Some of that design are illuminated, but maybe it gives the drivers something to aim for. 🙁

I agree about the value of a refuge. There are a few street lights at the junction.

Amazing how councils can find money to make roads worse, put up fancy signs and statues, go on jollies to Cannes at our expense, but moan they haven’t got enough for repairs and other essentials.

One thing all councils know how to do very well is waste money on unneeded unwanted things All Councils and the government as well Anything urgently needed is always put at the bottom of the list well below wasting OUR money

One of our cars came with low profiles and the alloys were easily damaged. We changed them to higher profiles, much more comfortable ride, and the added benefit of clearing higher speed humps.

I once had a car that had low profile tyres and it was not exactly comfortable.

We now have a combined footpath and cycle path into town and it is well used in decent weather. The last bus home leaves town at 17.10 so I’ve walked home a few times. Before the footpath was completed it was not very safe for pedestrians walking along the B road.

My garage told me the quality of springs is not what it was. One 24 year old car has never had a spring replaced. Its 14 year old sibling has had all four. One I discovered only after picking up a thick black ring off the drive and asked my mobile mechanic what it was – it was, of course, the bottom of a spring. A break there might well go unnoticed as the car corner height and spring performance will be relatively unaffected. If a spring breaks breaks partway down its length it can damage the inside wall of the tyre.

The black ring is one of the rubber pads that should be on the ends of the springs to prevent rattling and damage. I found one inside the coil spring together with the broken piece of spring. It’s not uncommon to see rubber pads and bits of broken spring at the roadside. This is the first time I have had a broken spring but it does seem to be a common problem.

Apparently ‘spring catchers’ are available for models where the spring is close to a tyre: https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/service-repair/coil-springs-breaking

The black ring was the broken steel end ring – the final coil – on the spring.

When I took my car in I was told that the condition of the other rear coil spring would be checked and replaced if there was any sign of deterioration. If a front spring had failed I would have asked for both to be replaced.

I’m not sure this is worthwhile unless there is obvious damage. I’ve only ever been advised by my garage to replace the one (broken) spring. Other suspension components like shock absorbers, bushes, may well wear in similar ways and need replacing in pairs. Has anyone any information on spring replacement?

There is no doubt that springs deteriorate with use and in the case of front springs, handling is more likely to be affected. Other components such as shock absorbers could be damaged when a front spring fails. With safety matters I usually play safe.