Which? Magazine switches to a potato-starch wrapper

Once again it’s a terminology problem, Dave. “Compostable” is not the same as “recyclable” so ideally the Which? wrapper should not be put in your green recycling bin. The best place for it is the food waste bin if you have one. In theory, it should be possible for it to be taken away with garden waste if you have a separate collection for that, but councils might not like that either as it might not suit the composting process which is intended for natural vegetation rather than processed material.

I am fed up with local authorities telling us that certain things that are technically recyclable should not be put in the recycling bin. Black food trays are an example; the only problem there is that the optical sorting machinery cannot detect them and direct them to the proper waste stream but otherwise they are as recyclable as other plastic of a similar type. Retailers are progressively changing to other materials or different coloured plastic in order to overcome that problem but until then councils should accept it and put in place a sorting system that will not reject it, using human labour if necessary. Councils keep saying that just a few non-conforming items can lead to a whole lorry load of green waste being rejected and sent for landfill or incineration; I don’t believe that for one minute and think they need to find a way of coping with it. No wonder householders get confused and why the recycling rate is lower than it needs to be.

We must not hide behind “recycling” as a justification for the continued use of plastics when other packaging – or unpackaged – options are available. In my view, recycling these days is only sensible if the material can be reused without degradation – such as aluminium, for example. Most, if not all, plastics are degraded in the recycling process and will become waste sooner or later, with permanent damage to the environment.

I’d like to see a whole new approach to product packaging that minimises the material used, minimises plastic, and is not wasteful.

I agree Malcolm, but there are conflicting issues and we need to consider them all carefully. One of the environmental benefits of plastic is its lightness [compared with glass, for example] which reduces the environmental impact of transport. Aluminium might be the best substitute in many instances but producing it and reprocessing it have environmental consequences. Plastic seems to be more harmful as a result of recycling if ultimate disposal is not managed carefully so the less produced the better. I have noticed that a number of products that used to come in plastic bottles now have metal containers but there is still a long way to go.

As we look to the future transport could be electric, and electrical energy in the UK should be largely renewable minimising impact – tidal power is an immense resource. Many liquids are already supplied in recyclable glass bottles so plastic is not a necessary material. I agree there are conflicting issues, and plastics has many useful attributes but, if disposal is so harmful to the planet, we must work to minimise its wasteful use.

Aluminium can, as far as I know, be endlessly recycled and uses only 10% of the energy of producing it from scratch.

“Unpackaged” or using permanent customer containers would surely be a major step forward?

Carrying on as we are cannot be an option.

I was speaking to someone who has a senior position in a company that makes plastic bottles for numerous manufacturers. I raised my concerns about plastic and he said that it was not his concern because it makes money. When I asked if was aware of the environmental issues he said he was, but his interest was making money.

He said that aluminium bottles were used for some products but were relatively expensive to produce and handle, and only used as a marketing feature.

Is there any viable alternative to legislation if we are going to tackle the problem that plastics are creating?

It is quite understandable that someone in the plastics industry takes that view, just as those who take foreign holidays by air, drive fossil fuelled cars, throw away food, buy products in plastic packaging, contribute to the world’s problems.

If most consumers care, then consumer pressure will drive change. If they do not, then, like climate change, I fear we will be stuck with the status quo.

Which? could harness the consumer army and use its weight to start a rebellion against excessive packaging in inappropriate materials, and it could join forces with WRAP, the greens and any other organisations that have knowledge and concern in this area. It is too important an issue to just chat about endlessly.

Sadly, many people don’t care much about environmental issues or are selective about what they are prepared to support. I doubt you would support phasing out use of glyphosate by gardeners. I have a worrying range of plastic bottles under my kitchen sink and so far I have done nothing to find out if I can buy loose produce locally.

Legislation is very effective. It enabled us to reduce and then remove lead from petrol. I suggest that the best options for packaging are worked out and that all manufacturers are obliged to use them.

This is the kind of approach government is taking – effectively placing a tax on certain plastics packaging. It presumes the increased use of recycled plastics will result. It does not seem to consider what happens to degraded plastics that will end up as waste, nor to reducing or eliminating plastics from most packaging which surely should be the objective.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/752091/Plastics_factsheet_web.pdf

I am not convinced that a “pay to pollute” solution is the right one.

Any tax on packaging will just be passed on to the consumer. That is why I’m keen on legislation that requires companies to use what is considered to be the least environmentally damaging solution.

I was illustrating the government’s approach, they who legislate. My point was, of course, that permitting a bad practice to continue by making a payment is not a solution to the problem.

Legislation can take for ever and I don’t think we have the time; we need to start now

We need pressure put on the supermarkets, for example, to reduce packaging and use non-harmful and re-usable materials where they are necessary. Consumer action could start that, if we had a lead organisation.

Malcolm and Wavechange – I go along with what you are saying. I agree we must not waste any more time but tackle the problem of consumer waste generally and urgently.

I think legislation will be needed to underwrite [or be a backstop for] whatever can be achieved voluntarily and through consumer pressure, but we should not wait for legislation. I don’t support taxation of harmful materials; they have to be banned.

We reached the present position of plastic dominance in packaging by following a producer-led path and we need to retrace the same steps. Prior to the ready availability of plastic packaging for foodstuffs and household products we managed with fewer of them and, with few exceptions that I can think of, they came in reusable or recyclable or biodegradable materials.

More careful waste disposal is another approach to preventing some of the harm caused by the throw-away society. It is appalling that our rivers and beaches are dumping grounds for volumes of plastic and other harmful waste. This is primarily an education problem – getting people to take their waste away with them or put it one of the many bins that are provided. It is often said that the young generation are more aware and will behave better but I am not yet convinced, and their influence is not yet improving sufficiently the behaviour of the generations above them.

While electric vehicles using predominantly renewable energy might assist with reducing the environmental impact of transport, I cannot see a time when this will include heavy haulage – which is the general justification for using plastic packaging instead of glass or metal.

I am guilty of having an ‘under the kitchen sink’ problem. There are few too many plastic containers, some unnecessary because there are other products that could do the same job. There must be scope for refilling non-plastic containers. Not so convenient perhaps, but nothing will be convenient if we don’t get a grip on the problem; things are going to have to change and consumers will have to change with them.

The bathroom is another area that has been plasticised during my lifetime. We shall have to rewind, which possibly means less choice. A tablet of soap in a paper wrapper, or an oily liquid in a fancy plastic bottle with a complex dispensing mechanism?

Consumerism got us here and post-consumerism will have to get us out. I suppose, as from today, we are in the Christmas season which is the worst example imaginable of irresponsible packaging. We probably can’t do much about the approaching yuletide, since it’s already on the road, but we could perhaps promote a national ambition to have a waste-free Christmas 2020.

I think we have to pursue all possible solutions, John, but I doubt that much will be achieved voluntarily. We have adopted plastic packaging because it is seen commercially as the best product for the job. I don’t doubt that, but only if you ignore the unquantifiable damage to the environment.

I’ve been thinking about going back to using soap after decades of using bottles of hand-wash. The problem is that if you live in a hard water area, the hand-wash does a much better job, so I have continued to use it in as small quantities as possible. Another problem with hand-wash is that unless you are careful you are likely to buy an anti-bacterial version that offers no benefit whatsoever but contributes to the damage to the environment. We have discussed plastic pollution and poor air quality at some length on Convo, but these are just two of the issues that deserve urgent action.

There was an item on the news tonight extolling the plastic carrier bag charge, and the 90% reduction on bags used. Then look at what customers were putting in their shopping bags – far more plastic packaging than ever the shopping bag saves. It will not be as easy to change as charging for a carrier, but it is something we can deal with simply by choosing to address it.

I have noticed that, in my haste, I wrote that there were “few too many plastic containers” under the sink. I meant to write “far too many”.

That’s the problem. The number grows very quickly. 🙂

Perhaps you meant “phew, too many”?

@daveover Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. When you say your green recycling bin do you mean food waste or mixed recycling for things like plastic bottles?

You are probably not alone but I don’t get one on my wrapper. I suspect it is a batch identifier for the postal delivery, possibly your postcode or walk. You will discover in due course whether the paper label survives composting intact.

I raised this with Which? but had no response so maybe they have ticked the “recycling box” and moved on!

I don’t get a sticky label either. I think John could be right when he says it might be stuck on by the Post Office.

Thanks Jon. I have adopted that procedure as although the label is paper the adhesive substance is unlikely to be compostable/recyclable. I just wonder whether the delivery contractors could be instructed not to add compostable/recyclable items to the packages they handle on behalf of Which?

I’ll report back on my experience!

It is tempting to put as much as possible in the recycling and green waste bins but that might increase the chance of the contents being rejected and ending up in landfill. In the early days of recycling I was told off for putting in plastics that were not allowed. I pointed out that the (resin identification) code were the same as for the acceptable items but that did not matter.

We could move on to the wider topic of recycling given that it is now becoming a political imperative. This would highlight the difference between an item being technically recyclable – often by being given very specialist treatment – and the practical issues which exist. The extent to which a sticky label could compromise a whole compostable wrapper being on e of them but the policies and processes of your local authority being the main one. The local authorities given information on their websites but my view is that vert few people religiously check that before allocating an item to recycling or general waste. Tainted collected material can have the effect of consigning the whole collection to waste rather than indulge in the detailed sorting that would be required to satisfy the requirements of the recycling contractors which local authorities use. Judging by the number of recycling markings and options that consumed most of a broadsheet page in a recent article in the Daily Telegraph there is good reason for a step-back and fundamental review of exactly how recycling can really be made to work. It’s complicated!

I agree Mapleshire, recycling standards should have been implemented long ago.

Logos like the one below are misleading. It does not necessarily mean the packaging is recyclable, but signifies the producer has made a financial contribution to the recovery and recycling of packaging in Europe. If producers packaging is recyclable then put the appropriate logos but the Green Dot should be binned.

I have also questioned this logo that appears on the Which? wrapper:

The magazine wrapper is good at protecting the magazine in an eco-friendly way, but not much good for putting peelings and bones in. It’s too small for that.
I agree that bins and re-cycling should be standardised across the country, though, thanks to individual initiatives, various counties have different machinery and sorting centres, meaning that some can process more than others. We can not put glass items out and that means a trip to the skip. Here our “little Hitlers” can often delay disposal and insist on opening sacks to check that there is no recycled material in the rubbish bags. They also require us to stop at the entrance to prove we belong to the area. However, there is no sign to tell us and the gate man hides -out of sight – in his hut. Miss him and someone tells us off. This sit-com situation makes skip visits interesting, but it could be argued that they are only doing their jobs, and I prefer going there rather than scraping the road after the fox has been past.

Each Local Authority will have guidance on what can be recycled in its area- on its website. Local Authority finances vary considerably, as does their investment in recycling alternatives and their ability to research those alternatives and set up the contracts required with the private entities which do the recycling.

We all agree that we should recycle as much as possible and most do make every effort. However, if we want to see a step change then we will need to persuade central Government to increase their annual payments to local authorities. Those payments have decreased each year over the last 10 years and 2020 will be no different. Try asking your Local Authority and County Council how much has been taken out of their central Government budget income over the last 10 years…….