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Do you get value for money from your line rental?

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Up to a million people have been paying over the odds for their line rental. Those BT customers whose landline is their only connection to friends and family will see their monthly bill reduced by £7.

In an age when you can change the temperature of your home from your phone and turn on your lights and kettle with a few spoken words as you walk in the front door, it’s easy to forget that some people are quite content not being connected to the world wide web.

I personally don’t know where I’d be without my broadband connection. Waking up to international news on a service of my choosing, figuring out my commute before leaving the house, and the sea of streaming services and my games console on-hand when all I want to do is veg out. What a time to be alive!

But, for many people, having this same connection with the rest of the world is not a necessity like other utilities. Whereas, for those of my generation, going a week without being able to check Instagram can feel as inhibiting as not having hot water.

Only line of communication

This is why I’ve always felt it incredibly unjust that people like my elderly relatives, whose only means of communication with the outside is their landline, should face similar line rental charges as those who enjoy huge amounts of broadband content. My nans don’t know their podcasts from their Amazon Echo, so why should they pay the same as me when I use my landline to download and stream scores of gigabytes every month.

And, conversely, I don’t even have a house phone! We’ll leave whether I should be entitled to a discount on my line rental for a future convo.

So naturally, myself and my-internet-uninitiated family members welcome the news that BT is cutting line rental charges for nearly a million of their landline-only customers. Especially as this reduction may amount to a significant saving of £84 a year, or 37% off their phone bill.

Compared to people who buy bundles that include broadband, pay-TV and landline, customers like my grandparents have been getting poor value for money for a long time. The industry regulator Ofcom has said that nearly seven out of 10 (66%) landline-only customers are over 65 and more than three quarters (77%) of those have never switched to a better deal.

£7 a month saving

Against a backdrop of rising line rental prices and falling wholesale costs Ofcom proposed BT cut the monthly bills its landline-only customers receive by between £5 and £7. BT has now agreed to those proposals in full and will be reducing monthly line rental charges for these people by £7 from April 2018.

What a result for Nanny Samways and all those BT landline-only customers who will now see their phone bills slashed. However, Ofcom should press on and continue to boost industry transparency and fairness. It’s important that everyone has access the right deal for them.

Do you know anyone who has been paying over the odds for their line rental? Do you think Ofcom has done enough to bring value for money to those who only have a home phone with BT? Should I get a discount for not having a home phone at all? 😋

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Member

Whilst I welcome the news that my landline rental will be dropping, I’m rather lost by the fact it will take a tech company another 6 months to implement it. Oh and it you’re wondering how I’m writing this when I only have a BT landline, I choose o have my broadband provided not down rusty old copper cable.

I would also like to have seen OFCOM make caller id/display a freebie for everyone, w/o the need to take a bundle/pay for a year rental upfront and even then still need to activate it.

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elaine m says:
28 October 2017

Ofcom have indeed said that from October 2018 caller display must be free !

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So we have to wait another year, time companies and business grops were banned from lobbying govts and regulators.

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BT and other telecom companies would already have the ability to change the price of caller display instantly, so they have no excuse for not setting the price to £0.00 now.

But you can bet your life they will keep charging us for it until October 2018.

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Most of the calls I make are on the mobile. On the other hand I prefer to receive calls on the landline because there is always a handset nearby, whereas the mobile might be on charge or in another room. I keep hoping someone will devise a mobile dock that allows calls to be made on the mobile from multiple inexpensive handsets.

I also have to be careful about the numbers I call via the landline, whereas I have an unlimited call allowance on the mobile. It’s annoying that it’s an inclusive call to ring a landline from my mobile whereas it is not if I call a mobile from the landline.

No I’m not getting value for money and a price reduction will be welcome.

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bishbut says:
27 October 2017

Call display must be made free How much does your unlimited bundle cost wavechange I hope is the cheapest for you ? it is not the cheapest for everyone

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My mobile costs £15.40 a month including 5GB data, which I use mainly for tethering to a laptop when away from home. I bought the phone separately. I’m restricted to which network I use because of signal coverage. I might be able to get a better deal with one of the MVNOs (they use the main mobile networks) but I had no luck finding one that used the network I needed + 4G + sufficient data + allowed tethering.

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bishbut says:
27 October 2017

If you are happy whit what you have I have no more to say thanks wavechange Happy people should have no need to moan or complain I comment but rarely complain unless I am not happy with something then I do

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It would have been useful to see the charges BT make explained – I don’t use them. There is this long document http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/assets/pdf/BT_PhoneTariff_Residential.pdf
If you need a line to your premises, with the attendant equipment at the exchange and en route that needs providing and maintaining, then it needs to be paid for. How to do this fairly?

As far am aware we used to do this with a rental charge, on top of which you purchased a call plan if you used the phone, and broadband if you required that. at some stage it was declared “unfair” to show line rental separately, I believe – for the life of me I cannot understand why being transparent about pricing was deemed “unfair”.

For the rental, should this be based only on how much traffic you create? Number and duration of calls, data transfer, for example? Someone who very rarely uses the phone would then pay virtually nothing for the upkeep of the service they wish to use. For certain vulnerable people, BT do (?did) offer BT Basic,, a £5.50 a month rental that included £1.50 in calls.

BT will maintain its profits, so reducing the income it gets from one sector will be made up for from another – if some subscribers pay less, some will pay more.

So I’d find it useful if we saw proposals, as with energy for example, as to how we think the telephone service should be charged in a way that is fair to the consumer and the provider. We can all try to dictate how we should pay a company for a service, but that will usually be coloureds by our own personal circumstances. We need to think more broadly perhaps.

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An increasing number of people never use their landline to make phone calls. The only reason they have a landline is to make use of broadband. They are not making use of the exchange equipment that enables phone users to make and receive calls and won’t need an entry in the phone book. We don’t expect phone users to contribute to the cost the equipment used to provide broadband services unless they are broadband users. Thus I would expect those who use both phone + broadband to pay higher fixed charges than those who use either service.

I would prefer to see ‘unlimited’ broadband tariffs phased out, at least until copper broadband has been replaced by proper fibre (FTTP) because heavy users can slow down the service for other users.

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Do they not have a phone number allocated when they rent a landline? If so, they could make and receive calls at any time and, even if they do not, the equipment is still available to them at the exchange. I suppose this all stems from an evolutionary process – first was a phone line and instrument, then dial up broadband, then proper broadband, all alongside the growth in mobile phone use.

I’m for a restructuring of charges that reflect the equipment you need (so a fixed charge) and the use you then make of it – either metered calls and broadband or a package price. As long as we realise it can never be completely “fair” to everyone, no more than your council tax, income tax, national insurance are for example – people will make more use than others of what they fund.

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I’m no expert but I’m sure that the phone function can be disabled at the exchange if not required. As you say, charges should be fair to both the consumer and provider, but there many people who make all their calls on a mobile nowadays. These include many young people and practically all students.

I’m happy to pay for a landline but in the early Conversations it was frequently pointed out that consumers were being asked to pay for a landline that would not be used for phone calls. You are absolutely right about the historical basis of phone lines, where the ability to provide internet access became an added use of phone lines.

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Malcolm – BT , like other ISP,s have integrated the line rental into the bundle charges , it is not separate now. A telephone line is provided with a number and you pay for the upkeep of that line otherwise no broadband ,this includes exchange equipment . If you want line only then go to Virgin Media cable company they do it .

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I thought so duncan. I believe it was a big mistake when Ofcom required the line rental to be bundled up with the application(s), whether phone, b/b or tv. I like to see what makes up a cost and line rental highlighted that particular component.

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bishbut says:
28 October 2017

You need a land line for broadband connection but if you don’t use your phone unplug it (simple to do )then it will not ring you pay for a land line but calls are usually extra Keep the phone it then can be plugged in for emergency use when needed

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Wavechange said that in earlier Conversations “it was frequently pointed out that consumers were being asked to pay for a landline that would not be used for phone calls”. Our house is full of things that are rarely used – what is so special about telephone calls? Obviously the fact that you have to pay for it every time you do use it but most calling plans allow for many calls without charge or they are inclusive tariffs. Choosing not to use the installed landline is a personal choice. surely? Personally I cannot see the sense in having a landline for broadband and not using it for telecoms. .

How can using a mobile phone in the house be more convenient or comfortable than using a telephone? I make and receive two or three phone calls a day in the house, most of them are landline-based at both ends and seem to be better calling or receiving experiences. The availability of excellent portable phones with a landline base-station enables people to wander about and twirl to their heart’s content and still enjoy superior reception and transmission. The people who usually call from their mobiles seem to be continually distracted and trying to do something else as they talk which can spoil a conversation. It is not unknown for me to terminate such calls in mid flow.

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There are many factors that have led to the growing popularity of mobile phones and there are a significant number who never make or receive landline calls. In earlier Conversations, some pointed out that it was unfair that they should be expected to pay for a service they don’t use. I agree. Obviously the phone line itself is common to most landline and broadband services but the telephone exchange equipment and staff need not be funded by those who don’t use a landline phone, in the same way that those who don’t use broadband are not expected to contribute to the equipment needed for broadband services.

Many of the numbers in my phone are mobile numbers rather than landlines. These include people in the county council and other organisations. If I was to call mobile numbers from my landline it would be expensive, whereas my mobile tariff includes calls to landlines and mobiles. I’m happy to pay for the landline and prefer to receive calls on it because I have not got into the habit of carrying the mobile phone in my pocket.

When staying with friends and family I have noticed that the teenagers never use the landline to make calls and their friends call their mobile number.

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Given that telephone exchanges are digital with minimal apparatus , most of the cost of enabling people to make and receive calls by landline is in the network rather than the exchange. There are additional costs in providing a broadband service , especially where fibre is involved. I think it makes sense to charge for each service separately so that those who do not use a landline phone can be disconnected at the exchange rather than just leave the line dormant but still capable of being used to receive and make calls.

Having managed a few months ago for a few weeks without a mobile phone I have got out of the habit and forget that I have one. I believe I am saving a lot by just keeping the PAYG facility open on a minimal basis. People who live on their mobile phones also complain about the shortage of money.

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It would be interesting to know the costs exclusive to phone and broadband services and those (such as the wiring itself) that are used by both.

I suspect you are not calling many mobile numbers, John, otherwise if might be expensive. I have deleted mobile numbers from my landline phone handsets because calls were expensive, whereas these were inclusive calls from my mobile.

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The capital and operating costs of all the equipment needs to be recovered somehow. If someone elects not to use their connection for phone calls and consequently expects not to pay for the proportion of cost involved, the broadband prices will increase to restore the lost revenue. That does not seem unfair to me.

Unlimited tariffs, rather than metering, gives a guaranteed income for the provider and peace of mind for the user. It is not only heavy users that slow down broadband, is it, but multiple users? I seem to remember being told that when the Americans woke up, the service slowed noticeably. I do see entertainment as an exceptionally heavy user and, since it is provided generally for a substantial subscription, part of that should, perhaps, be a national “tax” to help fund the necessary infrastructure.

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All I’m suggesting is that the costs are charged fairly. Those of us who make use of both landline phone and broadband should pay more of the fixed costs than those who have no need for a landline.

I’ve frequently suggested we put an end to unlimited tariffs. It might not matter in areas which have FTTP. I don’t know if the speed is affected by the number of users.

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We agree in priciple. However, it is not easy to agree on what is fair. Should someone who makes greater use of their phone line pay more towards the capital and maintenance? Should broadband be metered and charged accordingly? And as fixed costs will vary from year to year, as will usage, it could only really be charged fairly in retrospect when all the numbers are known. A nightmare for accounting and bill payers. So a simplified compromise has to be reached that is readily understood. There will always be “winners and losers”.

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I agree that it’s complicated but what is very simple is that those who don’t use their landline for phone calls should pay less than those who do.

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“Many of the numbers in my phone are mobile numbers rather than landlines. These include people in the county council and other organisations. If I was to call mobile numbers from my landline it would be expensive, whereas my mobile tariff includes calls to landlines and mobiles.”

Most landline providers offer inclusive calls to mobile numbers and have done so for some time. BT is now the only major landline provider not offer this.

Inclusive allowances usually cover:
– UK landline numbers starting 01 and 02
– non-geographic numbers starting 03
– UK mobile numbers starting 071-075 and 077-079.

Some landline providers also cover calls to premium rate numbers starting 0845 and/or 0870, but this is very much in decline.

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“I believe it was a big mistake when Ofcom required the line rental to be bundled up with the application(s), whether phone, broadband or TV. I like to see what makes up a cost and line rental highlighted that particular component.”

It has been long recognised that broadband providers were understating the cost of broadband and subsidising it by inflating the line rental.

If there are two competing broadband products advertised as “£5 per month plus line rental” and “£10 per month plus line rental” most people would gravitate towards the £5 deal. But what if that is “£5 plus £25” (= £30) and the other one is “£10 plus £15” (= £25)? If you chose the “£5” deal then you chose the overall more expensive deal.

Providers offering “free” broadband for a year, were not offering it for free. They had bumped up the line rental cost to cover it. It’s like the old spoof advert…”FREE CAR when you buy this steering wheel for eight thousand pounds”. This misleading pricing had to end.

An additional problem created by this sort of deception is that the inflated line rental charges are also being paid by those who do not have broadband.

Ofcom played the long game to get the result they wanted.

They tackled this in several steps. First, they required the combined cost of line rental and broadband to be stated so that deals could be compared on the full retail price. That allowed products to be compared on equal terms.

Next, they have got BT to admit they are overcharging for line rental for landline-only customers and to reduce it by £7 per month.

In forcing BT to reduce line rental for their landline-only customers, competition will also see the other landline providers reduce their rate. If they do not, they will lose customers back to BT. Remember, these are people who have previously moved away from BT so already know about switching provider to find the best deal.

The overall cost of line rental and broadband will not change, but the real cost of the broadband component is now fully exposed – no longer hidden by inflated line rental charges. The cost of broadband is the “broadband plus line rental” charge minus the “line-rental only” charge.

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I would have looked at the line rental plus call package and/or plus broadband to evaluate an offer.

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Wavechange – No, I am not calling many mobile numbers. Most of my calls are to people in commercial or public service organisations and I use their landline numbers. If I don’t know their extension I go through their switchboard. For family and friends my calls are rarely urgent and I send letters, cards or e-mail messages. For voluntary activities we tend to make fixtures and stick to them and don’t need to make contact with each other in advance. These measures are not for reasons of economy, it’s just the way I prefer to do things. I just can’t understand the need for constant catch-up and dialogue.

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John – I’m not suggesting that you or anyone else switches to using a mobile. My point is simply that the fixed charges should be less for those who use only broadband services than for those who use broadband plus phone.

Many companies and other organisations provide their employees with mobile phones instead of landlines or (in the case of senior staff) in addition to landline phones. I’m fortunate to have been given mobile numbers of people I have regular contact with, which saves the tedious job of going through the switchboard and often finding they are out of their office. At present it would be expensive for me to call from my landline. I look forward to having the inclusive calls to mobiles from my landline, as mentioned by Ian.

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If you are with PlusNet, Sky, TalkTalk, Virgin Media or any of the many other landline providers and are on an unlimited anytime call package, you already have inclusive calls to mobile numbers. Only BT is failing to offer this facility. Given the drop in mobile termination rates over the last few years, there is now no excuse to not offer this. Additionally, as BT now owns the UK’s largest mobile provider, EE, it is inexplicable that this is not yet offered.

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Nicky says:
28 October 2017

I just changed my mother’s (has dementia & is her lifeline) landline from BT standard tariff to The Post Office- thereby making a whopping cost saving considering the measly amount of calls she makes. BT then charged us for finishing the contract earlier! I actually wrote to BT to say I felt it was discriminatory & that they should be providing a low cost option service to people who are some of society’s most vulnerable. There is one but it’s means tested so again for all those who’ve saved miss out. Happy to report BT did refund the extra charge & did listen.

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I am on BT’s ‘Anytime Call’ option and pay my annual line rental in advance every January to obtain the discount and free caller display. My broadband is not provided by BT, despite their constant letters and e-mails with offers to get me to change to them! If the discount does not take effect until April will I be charged a full year at the current rate in January or will they take into account the reduction in line rental from April?

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Your luckier than me Sue I have been with BT for many decades and pay over £5/quarter for caller display . If OFCOM is removing this charge I will be a happy bunny. What you are on is equivalent to my weekend+evenings+ a set price for calls 24/7 (up to an hour a call ) all over the country except -0843/07 type calls . By keep re-packaging thier bundles . Your is now obsolete so be careful what you do. As long as you are on it its okay but if you change anything yourself you could lose it. Caller display–in YOUR case is “free ” not so in other cases . I do not foresee BT giving you a reduction on your “anytime ” calls costs as that would cause widespread upset from people in my situation., meaning you would get cheaper calls than me , if that was the case you can bet I will be right onto BT complaining. If you are on a year to year contract then it is possible BT will notify you that when you apply to continue anytime calls you will be under a new contract , courtesy of OFCOM . I would contact BT to get the full advice. Its not a reduction in line rental as BT always apply separate charges to its apps (except for line rental which is now included in a bundle ) BT originally gave that out as an inducement to take up anytime calls . It would be impossible for BT to give you a lower line rental than the rest of Britain just because of this.

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Sue. As you have broadband with another provider, you should have changed to the BT Home Phone Saver deal. This includes line rental, Unlimited Anytime calls to 01, 02 and 03 numbers, caller display, 1471, voicemail and several other feature for £21 per month. It also includes half price calls to mobile numbers and inclusive calls to 0845 and 0870 numbers. This reduced rate deal has been around for at least four or five years.

Ofcom’s ruling effectively rolls out this discount to all of BT’s landline-only customers.

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Phil says:
28 October 2017

I use my landline to make and receive calls simply because it’s clearer, more reliable and always there when I need it unlike the joke of a mobile a mobile signal around here. I have phones that don’t need a mains supply in case of power cuts too.

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Me too. It’s a good idea to have a corded phone upstairs and downstairs. Landline phones are useful for playing ‘hunt the mobile’. If it does not ring, it’s in the car. 🙂

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As one who is completely reliant on landline technology, having no mobile signals whatsoever around here, I remain bemused at the way industry seems always to come out ahead. They’re adept at raising prices almost instantly when they fear the future might not be quite as lucrative as the past has been, but remarkably slow – six months – when it comes to lowering prices, in an industry which uses computers extensively, and should find the process merely a few lines of code and a button press away.

Of course, we see exactly the same in the petrol business, Gas, electricity and so on, but nothing ever seems to be done about it.

On a microcosmic scale, yesterday the self-service machine at our Co-op took my wife’s credit card, PIN and then asked for it all again. I suspect we could have walked away, but being the honest type my wife called an assistant over. She called another, but neither could decide if we’d paid or not (“It’s these machines…”). The outcome was they said she’d have to pay again, and then we could go and check to see if the payments had been taken twice, and the Coop would refund us. My wife, well used to court proceedings through her one time profession, pointed out that this placed the onus on us and the extra work on us when she had fully complied with the Co-op’s request for payment and if there was a fault then it was clearly on the Co-op’s side.

We left them in no doubt that a simple refund would not be sufficient if the machine has charged her twice. And that’s why we need Which? Businesses have things their own way and see only profit as the motive and in a democratic society this has to be leavened with social responsibility. Six months to change a simple price is completely unacceptable. I’d be fascinated to see their justification.

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Are you able to make and receive calls on your mobile using your home WiFi, making use of your landline, Ian?

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Anyone who uses Fibre (BT Openreach) or ADSL broadband must pay line rental but it doesn’t mean that they should be paying for a phone service they are not using.

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Wave: yep; we can, but use the landline for calls generally. We don’t give our mobile number out. Otherwise people will be able to ring us when we’re out… 🙂

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It is a nuisance when people call when you are busy, either on a mobile or landline. I often call people as soon as I receive an email and it usually avoids having to leave a message or calling when they are busy.

I hope you have network coverage soon.

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Anthony if you acknowledge you must pay for a underground connection to the exchange then you are NOT automatically paying for the instrument , that went out years ago .You pay for line/exchange equipment upkeep. If this is a great injustice as some imply – why tyhen the answer is simple . Do what sometimes is the case in the USA DONT pay any upkeep and the next time a storm occurs pay for those poles/wiring/underground cable from your INSURANCE –and see the real cost which will be £1000,s . You cant have it both ways . And by the way NOTHING gets done in the USA until you PAY for it .

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bishbut says:
30 October 2017

Any phone moblie or land line is my servant I am not its slave as many seem to be I only make use when I need too and do not rush to answer every time it rings and beware of unknown numbers which I never answer at all

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Yesterday someone called me and we were having a lengthy conversation when she suddenly said her mobile phone was ringing and she would have to call me back. Why? Why does a call on the mobile take priority? Also she didn’t apologise for interrupting me on a Sunday morning and then she disturbed me again later on and started all over again. What has happened to telephone etiquette? I suppose it’s my fault for being available.

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It depends which phone is ringing and who the second caller is when I am already on the phone whether it can be left until it stops ringing.

I might ask the person to hold on a second while I answer the other phone and say to the second caller, I am on the other phone and will call them back in 10 minutes and apologize to the first caller. Stops interruptions to the first call and the second caller knows they will be able to speak to you when you are free.

But John’s caller was extremely rude.

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I completely agree with Alfa.

If a second call comes in when I’m using the mobile I will explain to the person I’m speaking to, switch to the second caller to say I will call back and then go back to the person I was speaking to.

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I think you missed a trick there, John. When she called you back, after two minutes you should have said – “Oh, sorry – the house next door is on fire. I’ll call you back.” If you really wanted to drive the point home, however, you could have told her the newspaper had just been delivered and you needed to read it. Might have made her consider her priorities.

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Thank you Ian. These little gems never occur to you when the time is ripe. I especially like the newspaper excuse. It reminds me of the reported response of Peter Cook when someone he didn’t wish to socialise with invited him to a dinner party. Looking in his diary he said “Oh dear; I’m terribly sorry . . . I see I’m watching television that night.”

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No and it is overpriced for broadband users as well, but sadly they are not included in the cap. Oh and it is only for BT customers so no good news for Virgin Media, Talk Talk and others.

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And when it all goes wrong are they any help?

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That’s delightful if a bit laboured, being more than twice as long as the original version. No doubt similar hassles are available from other service providers.

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It is a bit long – frequently a problem with amateurs – but nicely done.

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Donald Swann did at least play the piano as he and Michael Flanders sang their songs.

I suppose backing tracks are available for almost anything nowadays; hopefully this means that real talent now gets the full recognition it deserves.

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I met Flanders some years ago and he was every bit as charming, intelligent and witty in real life as he seemed on stage. Continuously made jokes about being in a wheelchair. But they were astonishingly good at what they both did and Tom Lehrer – their US equivalent – was just as funny, but in a very different way.

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The accompaniment that Donald Swann provided for their own recitals was brilliant – I listened to that just as much as their clever songs. I believe providing a “proper” accompaniment is a great skill.

You never know when you see people in the spotlight whether their real-life persona matches their public image. I am pleased that was the case with Donald. I wonder if the opposite applies to another Donald? I do hope so. 🙁

When at home we use our landline for calls to other landlines; no batteries to recharge, comfortable handset, not a flat slab, and the ringtone is loud enough to alert us wherever we are in the house (and it won’t be left in the car or a coat pocket – when it just stops ringing as you track it down). The mobile is used to phone other mobiles to save money. However, perhaps if this problem were addresses more use would be made of landlines, and smart phones would be left for mobile computing.

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I rely on my landline when at home and have a similar BT deal as Duncan, minus mobile coverage which I keep for emergencies only when going out which works out much cheaper for me. There seems to be an intermittent problem with my landline connection as people phoning me are receiving a permanently engaged tone when I am not using the phone, and yes the phone is always firmly sitting in its base.

When I was driving along with my son on Thursday, he tried my number from his hands free phone in his car by turning a switch and shouting “Mum” and it automatically dialled my landline number, but we again received the engaged tone although I wasn’t even there! I then dialled my number from my mobile and now received the normal ring. It can’t be my sons phone as other people have reported the same problem.

It’s getting a bit spooky with my TV turning itself on and now my phone pretending I am talking to someone else when I am not, so what’s going on with the phone? Any idea .Duncan?

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Yes, spooky indeed, Beryl. Have the security services paid you a call at some point and left some apparatus concealed somewhere? I guess it is stray currents from something interfering with the sensitive electronic controls on your TV and home phone .

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There is a simple explanation for the engaged tone. That’s what happens when someone else is calling the number.

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Wouldn’t life be interesting if the system could put the two parties in touch with each other?

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Definitely spooky Beryl. 👻
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I agree with wavechange when he says it could be someone else ringing you at the same time. Maybe BT can confirm received and missed calls for you. Another thought, could you be on a party line (if they still exist) and the other party is on the line.
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For the TV, I would suggest something is faulty or maybe it responds to a neighbour’s remote control. 🤖

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Does anyone remember the days of party lines, when you could not make calls when the neighbour was on the phone? In some areas there was not enough capacity to provide individual phone lines. Thankfully we have moved on.

Technology is fun. A friend has a wireless door bell which sometimes rings the neighbour’s bell instead.

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Our doorbell is fun ⁉️ (or not). Someone presses the button and it can stay pressed in until the battery runs out.

We keep meaning to get a new one. You used to be able to go into a store and try them all out before buying, so you could hear a sound you could live with, but they only now come in sealed plastic containers so what they sound like is pot luck.

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That happens with ours sometimes. I cured the previous one’s tendency to do it with a quick squirt of WD40.

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When I was at school I devised a simple circuit that made our ding-dong door bell ring about six times when anyone pressed the bell push once. My parents soon worked out what was going on but had a good enough sense of humour not to instruct me to remove it immediately.

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Patrick Taylor says:
30 October 2017

The obvious answer is there is a fault on the line which I suspect being intermittent is triggered by random matters like rain, condensation or even perhaps some physical object stressing the cable at times.

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Many thanks for all the helpful suggestions. I have reported the problem to BT this morning who have checked my line and found no fault but advised me to contact them again if the problem persists. They suggested the problem may be due to my landline and 2 cordless phones all connecting simultaneously but when I made the point, if that was true the problem would not then be intermittent and they agreed.

I am personally of the opinion the problem is with the exchange and my line is being shared with someone else as alpha suggests. I have not been billed for any other calls and is the reason why I have not pursued the matter earlier. It’s more annoying for other people who are unable to contact me when the line is constantly engaged. My son has had to resort to emailing me on occasion to check to see if I am still conscious as my mobile is permanently switched off in my handbag and used for emergencies only.

If my suspicions prove to be correct and I am in fact sharing a party line, I may push for either a refund and/or a reduction in my monthly payments.

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I am sorry Beryl I missed your post for some reason. Patrick has put some good engineering points . I can asasure you you are not sharing your line as that type of service no longer applies in Britain , in the sense it meant in the old days where, if one party was on the phone the other party could not use it . a later version digitally split the lines by providing a digital box in one subscribers house but if the UG were working in it and reversed the wires it would not function . That too is obsolete.. BT testing the line and saying “its okay ” doesn’t prove too much. If it was an intermittent short circuit you would bet crackling and cut-off in dial tone (speech ) ADSL can work with one wire so your broadband shouldn’t be affected.A direct disconnection of one wire would not give a short circuit just unanswered ringing. It leaves three things an intermittent fault in your home – an exchange fault / if fibre a cabinet fault (FTTC ) or ,if you live in a flat somebody using your line by connecting theirs to yours , but if that was the case you would hear them at some point on your line. If it was an intermittent fault caused by trees rubbing your overhead wiring eventually the bare wires would break down and disconnect completely , if it was a wall box then others would be affected due to ingress of water . A flooding duct would affect others . First speps– disconnect all your extension wiring by unscrewing the master socket cover plate and plugging a phone into the test socket only –ALL extension wiring removed , try that for TWO days then get back Beryl, again apologies for missing your post. You now havec my undivided attention until you get a result.

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No need to apologise Duncan, I felt sure you would respond given time. I will try to follow your instructions when I have located the correct master socket and will keep you posted.